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Feminine Trends in Men's Fashion

Updated on July 7, 2016

I've lived through enough fashion trends to be OK with men wearing make-up, such as popular rock band, KISS or more recently Adam Lambert. I'm even physically turned on by the way thick black eyeliner highlights the stony blue in Brett Michael's eyes. I grew up during the 80's and 90's when anything from make-up, earrings, girly hairdos and products were considered completely normal for men.

Recently, I shared the nail polish isle with a guy and wondered how far will men venture into feminine trends? How much is acceptably attractive to the opposite sex before we feel icky and invaded? I have no problems lending my hair spray to my husband, but the day I catch him in a skirt, well, it won't be fashionably pretty.

Do These Jeans Make Me Look Manly?

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All the boy bands, punk rock, and teen boy styles are sporting girls' jeans.

This fashion trend simply is not hot and I'll tell you why. One night I was attending a Basketball game with a couple of my guy friends and afterwards we were walking out to our cars when suddenly the guys stop dead in their tracks. Well, of course I assume they're checking out a girl so I don't pay much attention, but I slip a curious glance her way. She was bent over, reaching for something in her car, wearing I-can't-believe-she-can-still-breathe tight ass jeans.

What happened next was just a simple fact to prove God exists and has a sense of humor. My prayer answered; dirt on my guy friends I could joke about for years. Ahh YES! The object of their extreme interest stood up and turned around to reveal a dude in girl jeans. My friends were checking out and commenting about the nice ass on a DUDE. Again, thank you God! Don't get me wrong, I was a lady about the whole ordeal and generously offered to get the dude's number for them.

As far as I'm concerned, guys should not wear any article of clothing that encourages other guys to accidentally ogle and drool over them. Representing all the women out there, please don't wear our jeans and look better in them than us.

Man-Skirts

Does This Skirt Bring Out the Color of My Leg Hair?

Man-skirts, not kilts, but actual skirts. Apparently, as long as you put the word "man" in front of "skirts", it's politically correct and perfectly acceptable for a man to go prancing around in a skirt. Doing some research, I learned there are rules. #1 show some leg, but not too much. #2 must be thick, durable, type material. Nothing silky or too smooth. #3 Dark colors are best. #4 No pantyhose.

My first contact with a man-skirt happened not too long ago when I was taking a nature hike with my family. We came to a spot where the trail got steep, but luckily there were stairs and a railing. It was at this point I realized I was behind a guy who was wearing a man-skirt with hiking boots. Up and up we went and I thought if I looked directly above me I could probably see up this man's skirt. Sure enough I got a view of nature I wasn't planning on that day.

Polished Men

Honey, Will You Paint My Toenails?

It used to be sexy for a man to paint his woman's nails or toenails, now he's swooning her by asking her to paint his nails. I can't picture anything cuter than girlfriend and boyfriend painting each other's nails.

I'm really tolerant of silly fashion trends, mostly because I live far away enough from trendy areas so I never or hardly ever see them personally. However, men with polished nails is everywhere.

Brazilian Bikini/"Speedo" Wax

Getting a Wax Job

I used to hang out with bodybuilders and I'm not fond of overly hairy, beastly guys, but no man should be smoother than a woman or a baby. In fact, if you get near me with too smooth a butt, I will probably diaper it out of habit.

True story: I was on a date with a guy who was really smooth, no, not smooth as in gentleman-like or sweet talking, but smooth as in baby's butt. I asked him why he was so waxed and he answered he appreciated a woman who waxed so he wanted to return the favor. Reasonable, I thought.

Then he went on to say women who were completely waxed reminded him of young girls he dated in junior high, but he was now 30. I eagerly escaped the date, but nonetheless, I have been scarred for life, and not from the waxing process, but from any man smoother than me. Now I am careful to make sure I always have more hair on my body than I did when I was 13.

Man Purse or Satchel

Will You Hold My Purse Dear?

This man-purse trend became popular with the onset of metrosexuals; metropolitan heterosexuals. Basically, it's men who are more high maintenance than a woman.

There is a reason for women having a purse. We have to tote around female products and other things that make you guys squeamish. What's your excuse? Why would a guy need a purse?  I can see the gender roles reversing. Now women will be scolding their husbands about forgetting his purse everywhere or mistaking his purse for hers.

No matter how you try to make it cool or name it something masculine, some trends are better left to the ladies. Get a duffle bag or a brief case- there are options. And in the future, I better not witness anything ridiculous like man-thongs rising above those way too baggy pants that some guys wear.

On a Serious Note . . .

Children are getting fashionable earleir in life and may mimick these trends. How do you feel about ads or media portraying young boys painting their toenails hot pink?

Other Phenomena

Man Ponytails

Pretty Boy in Pink!

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      Seva 4 months ago

      Sexism at it's finest.

      Pink is a marketed color, along with blue, but here's a fun fact most women don't like pink, they guess what prefer blue.

      Skirts were originally for men, they fell out of use when we were riding around on horses with swords. Now that we don't do so anymore and guys want to return to it they get judged.

      Makeup has been used by both sexes since the Egyptians of the pyramids...polish is no exception.

      Omg imagine the horror of a guy not wanting to be hairy! Not every guy in every country wears trunks or shorts for swimming/underwear some like in Europe, get this wear it bikinis...Oh wow.

      Handbags/purses as long as not floral who floral, it's fine, guys need to store stuff too...

      Long hair, seriously? Are you kidding me guys have been rocking long hair for centuries, this isn't a new phenomenon.

      One you didn't add I noticed was heels, heels again were for men originally then fell out of favor.

      I wonder how many women actually play video games marketed towards guys, or how many read comics targeted towards guys? Lots but we don't go no sorry this is for men, stop trying to be a man, because that's sexist, this is no different.

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      Jerry Holly 7 months ago

      Since when do "YOU" have ANY right to tell ANYone else what they can wear??? Seems of late, "SOME" women think they are the fashion police??? WTF? I think it stems from the insecurity, that I read in this article, of jealousy.. (fear that a male might possibly look better in an outfit or jeans than the critic does).. Get a life, you'll NEVER tell me what color or trend to wear! If I want, I'll step my slender waist into a skirt today...... I've noticed that it is overweight, obese insecure females that are critical of what other people wear...

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      Quentin 8 months ago

      After all it is the twenty first century, it's about time REAL men are making changes.

      Theres an old saying that goes; 'What comes around goes around'.

      The ironically what is labeled "feminine" here was once was 'masculine' way back when.

      The makeup- worn by Egyptian Pharoes, skirts- in variations, Scottish kilts, Pharoe's shendyts, Malay sarongs, etc.

      As for purses, coin pouches were the purses of the days. Sachels have been used by men for various thing from different periods in history.

      Screw what society thinks.

      Women made changes that redefined what what it means to be a woman, so why can't men make the same changes. It shouldn't make a man any less. Aren't men allowed equal rights as women when it comes to personal preferences, tastes in styles?

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      James 10 months ago

      Listen, if this stuff doesn't suit your taste, then that's fine, but people are allowed to wear whatever they'd like (as long as it doesn't effect others around them in a negative manner). If a guy wants to paint his nails, then he has every right to. If he wants to wear lipstick, put on mascara, or anything, he's allowed to. The notion that, because you were born a certain sex, you can't wear certain fabrics or use certain materials, is absurd. Women and men can do whatever they'd like if it makes them feel more themselves. Don't tell people what they can and can't do. You represent an ignorant mindset.

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      Raimer Gel 3 years ago

      It all boils down to self expression.

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      Missy 3 years ago

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      Steve 3 years ago from Northern California

      As a man what I want is fashion freedom, for all persons, to express themselves for who they are without all these hurtful words and actions said by some persons.

      I was born in the 1950's with societies rigid thought's on gendered clothing. I watched as women bravely wore pants in defiance of societies gendered clothing ideas. As much as I missed seeing a woman in a skirt or dress I was on their side for their fashion freedom and more importantly being treated as an equal and not the weaker gender. Women have been and still are redefining their feminine selves, what it means to be a woman, and allowing the freedom to show their masculine side without ridicule.

      I believe it's now the men's turn to break out of the restrictive box society has imposed on us. It's OK to stop hiding and show our feminine qualities without ridicule. Clothing can be, and is for me, an expression of my creativity and my mood. I need that expression to remain mentally healthy.

      But I'm tired of being told, by some, what I can and can't wear. I'm tired of being boxed into playing a role of a character some think of as a male. I'm tired of being called gay when I'm heterosexual. Mean while women are allowed to wear a much wider spectrum of clothing with little or no repercussions. The double standard is wrong on so many different levels.

      In history the skirt, which has many names in the past and present, was a garment many very manly men worn with pride, even today in other parts of the world. It's only in recent history that men in the west stopped wearing the skirt in favor of pants. For men bringing back our abandoned skirt we used to wear is part of that symbolism to me. The skirt should return to being a unisex garment worn by men and woman.

      We are all different with many talents and gifts. But will we as human beings learn to embrace and encourage a person's right to self expression? Can we as humans learn to respect each other differences?

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      Lizett 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Jeanine you know my situation and have to realize my "manly man" preferences probably stem from that...perhaps.

      I absolutely agree we are cultivating more feminine men. Not sure how that will play out down the road. I'm also not fond of women acting so masculine in the workforce- i use to witness it all the time.

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      jeanine 5 years ago

      although this is a fun read and I laugh a lot hear... I am sure some of the angst that men feel is they don't know where they fit in anymore... on one hand we say we just want a guy to be a guy, jeans and a tee, but on the other we love it when he takes on more of the domestic caring for our families and our homes... I love a guy that can cook... and years ago realized he was pretty cute in that apron... not because it was a frilly thing but it was sexy in a way that I couldn't really explain... so I paid attention and later I realized it was that he was sweating of the meal for me...something about a guy having long hair and being different that I like also... yet I like a smooth chest and abs... so I'm sure we are sending mixed signals and guys only want one thing we all know that...lol... sorry... so I think a lot of them end up wearing these things because their wives or girlfriends have pushed the envelope just a bit... look how much mens underwear has changed, simply because there are a lot of us out here that want to see a tight piece of cloth across that butt of his...lol... we are cultivating more feminine men, even the macho guys don't mind helping around the house these days... poor guys...lol... never saw it coming... and the girls... well are we ever really happy... I mean for long periods of time...lol...lol... hope you are well and the kids are doing great... oh your hubby has them today....lol...lol... good for you...lol...lol

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      Lizett 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

      me, I love good ol fashoined (guys) jeans and a plain white T-shirt on a guy. Buy black and black is good too on night out on the town.

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      Larie Anne 5 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I totally hear you, Laura, esp. the part about men not finding it attractive for a woman to dress in man's pants. I think it was when I wanted to look nice for a boyfriend in school that I mainly took more interest in wearing dresses & skirts. While I still try not to judge anyone by what they wear, I can't help but be a *little* turned off by guys who wear skirts & attire generally considered off-limits to men. Just sayin'! And when I want to look nice for any special event, including a night out with my husband, I prefer to wear either a dress or skirt. I also admit that I think guys are most sexy when they wear black trousers with a black shirt. To me, that is HOT for guys, but I'm sure other gals have other preferences for guys 'cause we're all different! I know my husband can't wear black every day, but he never wears anything pink.

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      Lizett 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

      I tend to write novels myself so totally understandable. Having a 4 yr old girl and now a baby boy, I realize how much society accepts her to have various toys and clothes while a boy not so much.

      Also i think many scottish men for example are quite manly with skirts or make-up on male rockers in the '80's and '90's so its not a question of manliness so much as the intention nowadays is to emmulate women more even with the term metrosexual. I suppose I'm accustomed to the cultural (kilts, etc) or freedom of expression (rockers) with feminine attire and otherwise. i think now it boils down to men losing their place in society, taking on more female roles, and i guess it's worrisome. Not that they can change a diaper but that they are losing or imitating their identity. I just wrote a hub about "the Demise of Guys". I talk about this a little more.

      In general many men would not find it particularly attractive for a woman to dress in man's pants so I feel the same about seeing a man in a skirt unless it is intended to be masculine in nature...and even then. I'm not paricularly attracted to feminine men. I think the movement of women is that they are stronger and have tried to emulate men's traits in business, etc. I don't agree with that either. I think they can succeed as woman and not be like men. Women deciding to without shirts or tops like men do would cause a stir too.

      With your brother wanting to be a woman, I think he should wear and be like a woman, but for me heterosexual men copying women's fashion is a turn-off. THis isn't really a LGBT issue, just a preference of trends.

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      Larie Anne 5 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Hi, Laura, it was nice of you to respond to my comments, and looking back, I feel I need to apologize for rambling so much. I'm sorry I wrote such a novel! I think you & I are mostly on the same page about fashion trends for men vs. women. The argument about whether or not a woman should wear trousers doesn't really make sense to me. Being raised by a Jewish mom who saw to it that I had a Torah-based foundation, I was aware of the verse that speaks about men wearing women's clothes and vice-versa. It doesn't say, "Men must not wear dresses and skirts and women must not wear trousers," and I believe there is a reason for that: Cultural understanding & application. Each culture as a whole must decide what is appropriate for men & what is appropriate for women. Back in the day when both men & women wore robes & tunics, the difference was in the more decorative & longer styles for women vs. men. Since it's only fair that women should get to cover both legs like men do, I think we should try to maintain a culturally agreed-upon distinction between men's trousers & women's trousers instead of making the rule that men get to wear trousers but women don't. Yes, I prefer dresses/skirts, but that doesn't mean I don't also wear jeans, but they are women's jeans & I wear a feminine blouse with them to make it clear I'm not trying to dress like a man. I'm not sure, but my brother's desire to be a woman may be traced to our parents' divorce, which was hard on all of us kids, but my brother may have needed his father more than anyone realized. Either way, he is a nice man with a kind heart, so I respect his feelings & decision. I realize you didn't intend for your writing to be taken so seriously, but it really is a sensitive issue for many, so it does bring out some emotions. I still think the most important thing is to look at each individual's heart instead of what they're wearing. I'm rambling again, so I will stop now with a thank you for doing such a nice job & for your gracious responses to everyone's comments.

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      Lizett 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Larie this was originally something I wrote perhaps a rant, but not to be taken extremely seriously. However, the comments got serious and suddenly as soon as people found out about my dad then it becomes a social issue and i'm not being politically correct. yes, people should be allowed to be who they are and that is exactly my point is many of the guys are doing it to copy others or because it is a fad, not because they want to be a girl. I think it is mostly the sheep in a herd notion that Im trying to dispell. Be a girl if you're a man...thats fine, but don't do it because somebody else is. The comments on this hub got way out of focus on what my true intention of the hub was written about. People who start fad and trends are often being themselves while people who follow them are not. I respect your brother for wanting to be who he is, but I don't respect someone doing it to follow a fad or trend. I personally think it is silly. And yes I think its odd that guys wear pink to prove they are manly.

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      Larie Anne 5 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Hi, Izettl, I love the way you express your feelings in your blog and in your replies to others. We have some things in common; your dad is now a woman and my brother has told me he is a woman trapped in a man's body. I am now 30 & he is two years younger than me, but during high school years growing up we wore basically the same size clothes & me being a tomboy I would borrow his clothes quite a bit. One day he surprised me by asking me to return the favor & let him borrow some of my clothes. I was a little surprised, but totally shocked when he told me the clothes he had in mind were my skirts & dresses. Thankfully, he only did this in his room & not in public, though he wanted to model for me. For the record, I DO NOT think skirts look right on guys, but I was a good sister & told him he looked handsome anyway (it wasn't a lie, it's just I think he looks better in trousers). By the time I was a senior, he had outgrown my clothes, so he had stopped doing it. I thought he would grow out of this fetish or whatever it's called, but he has not. He is now married to a woman his size who I know is bisexual & I know he wears her skirts & dresses. They live in another state. My point in all this is, I love my brother & I'm sure you love your dad, even if he is now a she. I cannot explain why some men feel like they are really women because I am happy with the way I am & cannot imagine wanting to be a man. I prefer to wear dresses & skirts (I think they're comfy & stylish) except when I'm exercising, but I love how guys look in jeans. I guess I just like to see men being men & women being women. However, if I felt like I was a man inside & wanted to do "manly" things all the time & only wear men's clothes, shouldn't people accept me for who I am instead of criticizing me for not meeting their predetermined standards? My brother has told me he wants to have a sex change (can't afford it yet) and while deep inside I wish he wouldn't, I will always love him & yes, I would trade my brother for a sister if he really & truly feels he is a woman. So if I see a man wearing a skirt, I don't have to like it, but I will accept him based on what's in his heart, not what he's wearing. I think men (& women) should not feel inhibited from wearing whatever they want in public so long as they cover the right places. The only reason I was afraid for my brother to be seen in public wearing my skirts and dresses was because I know how people would have treated him & yes, I hear people talk about "those guys," so I know he would be considered a screwball. I don't wish that on anyone. I also think wearing whatever we want in public should include going topless if you want (like you, I only go topless at home, but if more women did it, I would probably also do it once in a while). I hope all this makes sense to you or your readers. Bottom line is, I think we should be respectful & understanding of each other because we are all different & unique. One more thing: I know some guys have posted that they are happy with being a man & wearing skirts, too. Personally-speaking, I think we should respect that decision, so I hope you don't think I was only mentioning my brother because of his desire to be a woman -- and if I see a man wearing a skirt, I hope I don't automatically assume he is wanting to be a woman because that would not be fair of me to do that.

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      Lizett 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

      greg~ good 4 u!

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      greg 5 years ago

      my wife says you look sexy I shaved my body and put nail polish hands and my feet. THIS FEELS GOOD. SHE ALSO PICKS OUT POLISH I WEAR.

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      BereniceTeh90 5 years ago

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      BereniceTeh90 5 years ago

      I'm sorry to hear about your dad, Laura; really, I am. You must have had a rough time as a child, and I regret saying some of the judmental things I said about you. I will still hold my ground, though when I say that gender is on the inside, and not determined by a person's biology :) (that's my opinion, and anybody is free to disagree). I do however agree with you that men wearing women's clothes just to "conform with nonconformity" is not the way to go. As a man, you can be an individual in a pair of 3 inch heels and a halterneck top, as much as you can be an individual in a conservative 3 piece business shirt and slacks. Just because a man chooses to dress conservatively does not mean he isn't an individual in his own right. However, there is a certain visual aesthetic that I am trying to capture that cannot be captured by sticking to the extremely rigid menswear section. Halterneck tops, for instance are an exclusively "female" garment, not available in the men's department. They do wonders in accentuating a toned man's shoulders and arms, and can draw attention towards the much desired V-taper if tucked into a pair of tasteful, slim-fitting trousers. The men's wardrobe doesn't contain backless and classy sleeveless (singlet wifebeaters? not after 7pm!) tops as well; i find it men's tops to be far to rigid and conservative for my bold and outlandish taste. Personally i love women's backless tops, as they accentuate my shoulders and lats in a way no man's shirt can. My approach is more toward fashion freedom, self-expression and a certain degree of playful androgyny, as opposed to cross-dressing per se (i still look very, very very much like a man). Furthermore, men's shorts don't cling around the thigh and accentuate an individual's butt the way women's shorts can. Personally i never understood the desire of some men to pass as a woman, but i try not to pass value judgments on something i don't understand. There is a really thought-provoking and controversial blogger Lucy83 who said something about men growing up in a highly feminist environment, being taught to despise and be ashamed of themselves by virtue of the fact that they are men.

      "In this decade, for the first time, we’re seeing a generation of young adult men who grew up in this and the consequences of this mass hatred (perpetrated by the media, feminists, etc towards men) are only slowly beginning to emerge.

      Is it any wonder why so many men have become more feminine? This is the reaction of a boy who grows up and has internalized the notion that femininity is desirable and masculinity is detestable."

      (Google Lucy83 female supremacy)

      Your dad may well be a victim of this trend. Prescriptive feminists have constantly been playing on men's sense of guilt about female oppression, making them feel worthless and less "deserving" of happiness and success than women. It's a natural response for many men to cope with this trend by becoming more feminine. I used to wonder myself if i was a woman trapped in a man's body. I used to wear cakey make up and lipstick in high school, and i even came up with a female nom deplume for myself, Berenice (my real name is Christopher). But it turns out, it was simply a defense mechanism in order to "prove" that i wasn't like "the other men", that i was one of the "good guys". Only when i discovered Lucy83's blog when i learnt that being male was nothing to be ashamed of, just like being black is nothing to be ashamed of. However, i feel that i'm not entirely 100% "masculine" in a conventionally accepted sense of the word. I have conventionally "masculine" traits, e.g. athleticism (i'm a thai boxer), cockiness, muscles, loud and brash manner of speech, and extreme straightforwardness. On the other hand, i also possess conventionally "feminine" characteristics, e.g. empathy, desire to be physically desired, friendliness, and love for furry animals. I don't wear pink, though; it doesn't quite gel with my personality. I dont think anybody is exclusively "masculine" or "feminine". I think we're all individuals, really. But i think that many cross dressers, as Lucy83 puts it, don't realize that men are equally valuable and no less worthy of love, affection and happiness than women, and that the male body is in no way aesthetically inferior to the female body and just as worthy of display and longing (i wrote about this here http://bereniceteh90.hubpages.com/hub/The-myth-of-... Honestly, i don't mind dating a woman who isn't afraid to push gender boundaries, but i still would like her to have some "womanly" traits, because let's face it: If i wanted to date another man, I wouldn't be straight, now would i? So i think i can understand your point when you say you'd like a man to make you feel like a woman; you want a man to have a good set of masculine qualities to complement your feminine qualities, and that's perfectly healthy. It is a source of chemistry, really; why would you want to date one of your girlfriends, unless you were interested in women?

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      Lizett 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Berenice~ I understand where you are coming from and I do have a biased opnion on this because my dad was a cross-dresser and ultimately a transsexual. that's why I think it's a joke when men try to dress according to a trend (I think trends are silly anyway because many people who don't look good in them and it isn't authentic to who they are, will try them out). I want people to be who they are, just like you do, and not because of some silly trend.

      A transgender for instance is dressing that way for a purpose and I have nothing against that. They are dressing that way because of who they are, not because of a "trend".

      I also think if men move closer to women's trends then women will become more like men. I don't think that aspect of feminism and women's rights has been benefical for women. I am a mother, working part time from home, and I see how many other mothers who work outside of home (I did for a while) are pressured to be like men in the owrkforce. Feminism said let's not be successful as women, but rather let's beat men at their own game and become more like them. Many women have lost their soft side to them and I personally like the difference, in general, between men and women. I think both should be celebrated for who they are- trends suggest becoming someone you are not, which is totally different than having an issue with trans gender folks.

      Throughout time, children learn who they are through the roles of their parents. I was very confused when I learned that not all fathers dressed as women like my dad did. It took time to sort that out.

      I do have a different thought than you and I think the general male female differences should be celebrated. Many men on the oppostion to what you are saying would tell you they are feeling less masculine because women are stepping on their roles. I see many women afraid to be women as well.

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      BereniceTeh90 5 years ago

      I had a scroll thru your comments and I realized that I might have been wrong about you. I'm sorry, I was just in such a rage when I typed my previous comment that it turned out to be so angry! I think this Zellio guy though, is a repressed redneck, and it shows through his hostility against a harmless activity as men wearing skirts. I may not want to wear a skirt, but nevertheless I don't think it justifies me making such aggressively belligerant remarks towards a guy who does. By saying that "suits on guys are better than skirts",and that "guys in skirts look hideous", he is covertly attempting to maintain a hold on patriarchal gender roles that women have fought so hard to dismantle: He's trying to keep men dressing as men, and women dressing as women, and this exposes his prejudice and hostility towards people who don't meet socio-cultural expectations of their gender.

      PS ANyone who says that gender is biological has no idea of the living hell people who have been born into the born body have to go through, under the gender-normative and homo/transphobic culture we live in, with people like Zelio. If only people could see people as people, and not as representitives of their genders, our society would be much more intelligent and progressive.

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      BereniceTeh90 5 years ago

      I facepalmed at this:

      "Where is the freedom in something that represented lack of freedom for women ages ago? Men in history wore skirts, but that's hardly an argument because we learn from history and move on.

      Yes, the Romans wore skirts and many of them slept with young boys or men to promote their masculinity, but we've learned from that history."

      1. You are basically implying that men who wear skirts are dangerous psychos who want to sleep with pre-pubescent children, when in fact that is no better than saying that Arab guys who wear keffiyehs are dangerous psychos who want to blow us to smitherins. The former does not necessarily lead to the latter; it's only because we choose to follow the mainstream media like sheep rather than try to understand people who are different from us that we come up with these illogical conclusions.

      2. Denying men the right to wear a skirt because it represents oppression to you is the same as denying a muslim woman the right to wear a hijab because it offends your liberal sensitivities. Just because people don't dress like you doesn't mean that they are "oppressed", and it's extremely patronizing to assume that because a muslim woman wears a hijab, that she needs to be "liberated". I hate collared T-shirts (too old-fashioned for me) and those baggy 3 quarter length surfer shorts (i prefer speedoes), but i wouldn't deny anybody else the right to wear them just because they arent my type of garment. Just because people like wearing different things from you doesn't make their taste any less valid. What if i turned it around and said that "women should not wear trousers because it represents lack of freedom to all the boys who just want to wear a dress?" Also, it's like me who doesn't like alcohol saying, "alcohol tastes like piss, so let's ban it completely!" Also, most men don't do it to "conform to non-conformity". How many guys have you seen in a skirt?

      3.It is hypocritical to argue against men emancipating their rigid gender role, while enjoying the liberty to do traditionally masculine things (e.g. gymming, gymnastics, martial arts, yoga) and wear traditionally masculine things (e.g. pants, Tee shirts and tanks) yourself.

      I feel though, that there is something that extends more than simply "not being attracted to crossdressing men" on your part. I get the impression that you feel threatened by these men because they have beaten you at your own game (the beauty game). It's like how some men are hostile towards female bodybuilders/figure competitors. They go like, "Ew, that is unattractive; we don't want you to look like that. We like soft n curvy women!" http://fitnessblackbook.com/hollywood-fitness/yvon... But secretly, it all boils down in the end to a deep-seated sense of inadequacy and lack of self-worth as a man, to see a woman who squats bigger weights than them thereby beating them at their own game. I once saw a lady in Melbourne city(probably a boxer) with a full six pack and at first i felt a pang of envy and i felt my masculinity being challenged by the sight of her. But then i decided, meh, so what if she's more ripped n toned than i am? It isn't the end of the world even if she's beaten me at my own game (I work out 6 days a week). I'm a good person (or so I think), and I'm no less of a man just because I've been outshone in terms of athleticism. There are other ways to be a "worthy man" besides being a super-athlete, or being interested in sports, just like there's more to being a woman than just physical beauty. So i'm relating this with how some young women behave towards crossdressing men. A sense of inadequacy on their part, having been beaten at their own game by the "pretty boys". To these women, the idea of a man being more beautiful than them will be very frightening indeed, coz that's their only trump card in gaining female attention.

      Now don't get me wrong, it's not that í paint my nails or wear skirts or frilly pink things; i'm not exactly a "crossdresser" per se (I wear women's tops and pants, but only a specific type, in order to accentuate my body), and most people would assume i'm 100% cisgendered on first impressions; i'm not a victim of any woman's hostility. I'm just making an observation and trying to explain why people behave the way they do towards certain subgroups of people.

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      Lizett 5 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Enya~ it's become a fashion trend for men- wearing things made for women- nail polish, girls' jeans, etc. And you're right that not all of those things look good or are made for all body types or men alike. Here's my problem, it's the trend itself. I do not mind an individual finding that type of fashion appealing but a whole trend is odd. I would not want most men to dress that way. My opinion is it's not a good trend, but rather just for individual. Trends are all about popularity and I wouldn't want men dressing as women because it's "popular". If it's truly what an individual wants to do then great. trends are also about people following other people so where's the individual expression in that? Thanks for your comment.

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      Enya 5 years ago

      Gosh I cannot believe people are so stereotypical!

      Women have been stealing men's clothes forever and always got away with that. In fact in the past men have been wearing makeup, stockings, miniskirts (see Romans and Greeks who laughed ad the Asians use of pajamas as unmanly), lace, sweet perfumes, and so on.

      I got the feeling that a good proportion of women still revel in the standard concept of man and are unable to accept the fact that sex and sexuality is a continuum and therefore what people like to wear is as well. I admit that not all clothes suit all body shapes, or ages, but it should only be a matter of fitting rather than expectations. This is my opinion. Enya

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      Lizett 6 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Jeanine~ I think you know the key to woman's heart right there. Yes, women would like to think that once in a while we are first or that someone has made a sacrifice for us. We all want to be loved for who we are and for others to find value in that- yes, sometimes above themselves. Thanks for this discussion and now you have me thinking more.

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      Jeanine 6 years ago

      Hi Izetti... thought about this for a few days and realized that your comment... of "a man who makes me feel like a woman"... is so right... Cassanova and Valentino may have been the exception to the rule... both were men completely in touch with their feminine side...according to history... yet both made women swoon... I believe a man must suffer( lack of a better word) for his woman... not hurting but often subjecting himself to her desires... above his own... romance begins to take root(LOL sorry)... intriguing to her sense... and wondering... why when he didn't have to... he chose to... put her first... " you had me at hello" syndrome...

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      Jeanine 6 years ago

      very good point...

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      Lizett 6 years ago from The Great Northwest

      I think my point is I appreciate the difference between men and women. In absolutely understand your point too- and we're along the same lines on this one. I need my opposite to be, well, opposite. I need a man (by definition) who makes me feel like a woman (how I want to feel). It just boils down to how you feel around someone/how they make you feel, and of course what appeals to us on all the other levels.

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      jeanine 6 years ago

      The one thing I do enjoy... is where the feminine side often ends up in what you and many women call a real man... Ralph Lauren... is a good example... his taste is impeccable... very regal actually... for women and men... sometimes men don't realize how different they really are... if they apply themselves in tasteful things... it's naturally not the same as women... I love that about a man... and of course that could be my back ground also... again it goes back to how we were raised... I pray for more different men each day... wait that sounded wrong... I pray that men are allowed to be men... no matter what their parents say... there would be less therapy needed... happier women... make for much happier men... for when we are happy... we do extraordinary things for each other...

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      Lizett 6 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Jeanine~ It was intended to be a fun read, but even with my background, and maybe because of it, I find myself more traditional about the male and female difference. I just don't like men prettier than me and tankfully they don't like me either- many of them are high maintenance and like high maintenance women. I think this topic is very individual because I was certainly OK with men wearing make-up with long hair back in the sayd of 80's rock, but some of the latest fashions are a bit weird for the everyday Joe. If the everyday Joe wore make-up to high school back in the 80's he would have been teased, yet rockers were doing it. The point is it's almost acceptable for the fashion and celebrity industry but not nevessarily for mainstream.

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      Jeanine...  6 years ago

      A very fun read... remember a true scribe takes something new and something old from his bag... written a few thousand years ago...the lines do blur the more individually creative a person might be... I like a man to be a man... yet if the bag is large enough... I can believe he has enough stuff to make life interesting... but if it is small... say only large enough to hold a couple of marbles... I would call that a sack...

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      Lizett 6 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Kathy Cantrell~ certainly my pontof view and taste in men's fashion doesn't represent a majority. I think the newly coined term of my generation, "Metrosexual", reveals the blurred lines in men and women's roles an fashion. I just like manly fashion, just my preference. I don't like to share the nail polish aisle with a guy or for him to take longer in the bathroom than me. Maybe I'm old fashioned to say that I like some of the differences in what makes a man and woman unique from each other. Thank you and I do respect your comment.

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      kathy cantrell 6 years ago

      Used to be thirty years ago, people could wear most anything, and still be okay....Now in this over judgmental world men have to be men and women tell them what's okay...Damn, I like men in pink, skirts, and carrying a purse and with an opinion of their own. As you can guess I am no spring chicken and I believe we are free to be ourselves at long last... so grow up agrow a pair guys........oh and some where in this world there is a woman who will love you for your mind......love ya all granny kat

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      Assassin Fred 6 years ago

      Izetti~ Thanks! I wasn't offended at all! Even though I might tend to like womens atire more than most guys will ever admit, I totally understood what you were saying. Men, in public, need to be men, not present as overly feminine sissies. As myself nowadays, I feel very comfortable and confident wearing a pink dress shirt or polo. You have to be confident in yourself though and not insecure! A lot of men wear pink, manly men... Not just effeminate sissy boys. Thanks for your reply to my reply :)

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      Lizett 6 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Assassin Fred~ I think you got the spirit of my hub. Some people may be offended, but fashion is one of those things I joke about or don't take too seriously. For others, fashion is serious. I'm just glad I could bring some entertainment to you. I totally agree about the pink shirts though. I think some guys really pull off pink- still trying to get my husband in a pink polo :)) Donald Trump rocks a pink tie often! Thanks for the comment.

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      Assassin Fred 6 years ago

      I am not too thrilled about men wearing womens fashions in public, but what they do behind closed doors is their business. As far as wearing pink clothing, up until about a year and a half ago, I wouldn't have been caught dead wearing pink anything in public, then a pink polo dress shirt caught my eye, and I decided what the hell. As long as you wear it with class, and not to look overly feminine outwardly, it is still very manly.

      I laughed at some of the references in your hub though, a good read! Thanks!

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      Anon 6 years ago

      You women keep stealing mens fashion as well, one day wearing a tie will be considered "gay"

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Sissychuck~ Thanks for reading. The comments got very interesting. The lack of style alternatives is by far the best argument for expanding a man's wardrobe options.

      threeweds~ to each is own. I know many men enjoy what you've mentioned.

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      threesweds 7 years ago

      Izetti, great hub and enjoyed the comments too. I enjoy wearing pink, especially pink lingerie under my male clothing. I consider myself heterosexual but truly like the softness and feel of wearing women's panties. I'm not into skirts and keep my lingerie hidden from the general public view.

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      sissychuck44 7 years ago

      Great Hub, Izzettl.

      I enjoyed reading not only your hub but also all the other comments.

      as much as i enjoy feminine fashions, i am not sure that i want to see any of this out in public. But, women definitely have a whole lot more fashion alternatives than men do. Sometimes, that's a good thing and sometimes it's not.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Sean~

      If I really wanted to "convince" others of listening to my every word and advice, I would create an entire website to this subject and get more recognition. I'm just saying myself and other women I've talked to are not in favor of these styles. Please don't mistake this hub for being much more than fun and opinion. Thanks for the comment Sean.

      One last note. In your first statement you say "Maybe we SHOULD not judge people", then you conclude with my "use of the word should...is bothersome". Hmmm. Telling me not to use the word "should" when you just suggested what I "should" do.

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      Sean 7 years ago

      Maybe we should just not judge people by what they want to wear. You're right, you don't have to like it, but you also don't have to go out of your way to convince others that they shouldn't like it either. Your use of the word "should" in regards to what other people wear is bothersome.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Hi cheaptrick~ thanks for the visit. A man's man is what a lot of women like. Although we have to careful for what we wish for- lol. Glad you enjoyed reading this.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      JohnH2~ no hard feelings and much respect to you for sharing your thoughts and opinion. A good discussion is give and take and we certainly did that. Thanks to you too.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Laura (izettl),

      Thanks for having the courage to post this topic. I really appreciated the give and take of our discussions.

      John

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      cheaptrick 7 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      Hello IzettI.I enjoyed reading this very much.Long ago when I was a buff marine I had a conversation with my best friends wife about what being a ladies man was.I told her I didn't have a clue how to be romantic I just speak my mind.My Idea of a great date was and still is...sharing a clip at the firing range.I told her all I know how to be is a mans man.She baffled me with this reply"A mans man IS a ladies man"I love a woman that enjoys being a woman...suppose it works the other way around too.Either way I've never had a problem meeting really terrific woman[knock on wood]:)Thanks for a comfortable and eye opening read.

      Dean

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      JohnH2~ well, at least we agree on all that.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      "I find that many guys have stronger opinions on this than I do- at least ones I know. When you mention them wearing a skirt, they flip out;there is a strong sense of homophobia I think"

      I think they have a case of having to prove their manhood - "masculinity anxiety" as I call it. Many of these individual are the ones who drive jacked up pickup trucks with loud exhausts, have extensive gun collections, drink heavily with their buddies, etc.

      I don't have to - I definitely speak as a man and sing low bass. So I don't have to prove my manhood.

      From what I read is that most male homosexuals do not wear skirts and most CASUAL cross-dressers are heterosexual.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      TH~ your comment is funny. You gave your accidental "pink" shirt to your daughter.Made me smile. Thanks for that.

      JohnH2~ They're not really wounds anymore although I'm sure they effect me on some subconscious level. I agree everybody is different in style preferences. I find that many guys have stronger opinions on this than I do- at least ones I know. When you mention them wearing a skirt, they flip out;there is a strong sense of homophobia I think. But now men have taken style to make a statement and wear girly things to express "Real men wear pink", and become comfortable with their feminine side etc.

      Thanks for stopping by guys!

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Laura (izettl)

      I do apologise for opening old wounds. That was thoughtless on my part. I did not mean that you need to see a shrink.

      "THe reason I wrote this hub was after I went hiking and climbed a steep staircase behind a man who was wearing a skirt, I got an eyeful I did not want."

      I guess that dude was not wearing underpants. If I am out in public when I wear a skirt I always wear underpants. One never knows when there is going to be a wind that causes the skirt to be lifted up.

      Everybody is different in regards to pants vs. skirts. My brother likes to wear pajamas with pants and wear pants in general because he does not like to have his bare legs together the same as you. I on the other hand prefer a nightshirt or nightgown to sleep in or skirts for warm weather since I don't like the binding of pants in general, and especially when I sleep. It does not bother me to have my bare legs together.

      I'm glad you are permitted by modern society to wear pants. I've expressed my opinions so there is no need to express it anymore.

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      tom hellert 7 years ago from home

      IZ,

      o ear rings, no painted toes nails,I like skirts on girls- but my wife doesnot wear short ones-although she is 5-2 so any skirt is long on her *heehee* I am a jean teshirt golf shirt guy

      No Pinks i have 1 yellow shirt alot of red but they are the colors of my fav college ball team and my Soccer Clubs coach shirts I did the wash *ONCE* and screwed up a white shirt made it pink- gave it to my daughter ...

      needless to say I don't do wash anymore- (oh darn)...

      Th

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      John H2~

      I'd also be willing to consider the people here that expressed a distaste for men in skirts do not have my past and so how would you explain why they don't like man skirts?

      Could it possibly be myself and many others don't like the look of men in skirts? Pretty simple. You can wear a skirt all you want, but I don't have to like it or be attracted to it.

      THe reason I wrote this hub was after I went hiking and climbed a steep staircase behind a man who was wearing a skirt, I got an eyeful I did not want. Sometimes because of heat, I'd like to go without a shirt on and be able to keep my windows open. Same reason you give for wearing a skirt.

      The reason I don't wear skirts much is because I chase after an active toddler (in a "non-work" environment)who also likes lifting up my skirts spontaneously in public- no thanks, I'll stick to pants right now. I personally find that I sweat more in skirts than in pants because I have to keep my legs together and if they are bare ,they get hot and sticky easier than if I had material between them to keep cool and put separation between skin. That's why I don't understand your "cooling off" theory. Unless you sit with your legs wide open, which is not gentlemanly if you're wearing a skirt.

      I'll be sure to "deal with my dislike" of men in skirts at my shrink's office. Just wondering if you hve the saem advice for all the others here who commented on their distaste for men in skirts too or are you just singling me out since I gave you some ammunition about my past. I really had you pegged for being classy, but you're back to attack me some more.

      There is no room for argument here because we have no common ground.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Laura (izettl),

      Please consider: your father could have easily worn feminine pants instead of skirts when he transitioned over to being a transgendered woman. After considering this possibility you might be able to deal with your dislike of men in skirts.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      It would be quite alright for me to have a personal distaste for women in pants in all cases. However, I do have a distaste when one goes to WalMart, and sees that over 98 percent of the women wear pants or shorts. It is also bad where more than half the women at church wear pants. I know what a skirt is like so in a none-work environment there is no reason for women to wear pants so extensively. But just let one man have the guts to wear a skirt for reasons of comfort and health - then there is hell to pay! That is a double standard if there was ever one. By the way, with the weather being cooler I have gone back to wearing long pants since I don't have to worry about keeping the family jewels cool. (An above the knee denim skirt is too cool for comfort when the temperature is in the low to mid 60's, unless I wear pantyhose. Pantyhose are too much trouble.}

      I don't think it would be too much to maybe have a quarter of the women at WalMart wear skirts or dresses or 2/3 of the women wear skirts or dresses at church.

      I don't know why you have such an itching desire to be topless in public. I certainly don't have that desire.

      Come to think of it - years ago I and my ex-wife were driving down to Texas for the first time. I was driving south on U.S. 59, and I noticed there was what I thought was a man in the distance with an open shirt at the side of the road hitchhiking.

      I got a little bit closer - I thought,"This guy is awfully flabby in his chest." Then I got still closer, and saw it was a bare breasted woman with an open shirt hitchhiking!

      And yes, she was cross-dressed - wearing a man's plad shirt with a man's pair of jeans with a man's pair of shoes - that is why in the distance I thought the hitchhiker was a man!

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      JohnH2~ WHOOPS!!!! Yeah I didn't mean to write "women" in skirts- I meant "men". Yikes, I would have a personal distaste for myself. That was completely a typo. Skirts can remain on this planet. I can understand how that would have sounded funny. I'm am OK with skirts. I prefer jeans, but I love jean skirts. Well maybe I need to make a trip to topless Texas!

      Thanks for catching my Oops!

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      izettl,

      Your comment of "I have a personal distaste for women in skirts" now explains to a very large extent why you don't want men to wear skirts or anybody to wear them for that matter. I guess as far as you are concerned, skirts can disappear off the face of the planet and you would not miss them. However, don't feel bad. My wife does not wear skirts or dresses for street clothes; she wears only pants and shorts. To summarize for other readers, I am the one of the couple who wears skirts.

      I also have read that as far as state law is concerned, it is legal for a woman to be topless in Texas. However, there may be local ordinances that forbid that.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Silvergenes~ thank you for taking the time to read this...and the comments. My political correctness hub was sparked by the conversation here. SOmeone mentioned people have lost their sense of humors and so political correctness is rampant. I agree. I wrote this and another humorous hub about runway fashion and I have many commenters persecuting me for having an opinion on it.

      I see your point about the legality and I don't care one way or the other, but if someone wants to mention all the injustice in clothing styles of man vs. women ,then I'll bring up women have restrictions too. That's interesting stuff about Canada and I didn't know that. Now I just want to move there more.

      It was an interesting conversation in the comment section and we all come from different backgrounds so we have different viewpoints. I have a personal distaste for women in skirts, maybe because of my background with my dad, but mostly because I see the humor in it. I haven't lost my sense of humor by golly.

      Thanks for commenting!!

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      SilverGenes 7 years ago

      izetti, this was a fun read and the comments were interesting, too. Not much to add except this. If you are female and don't want to wear a bra or even a shirt, come to Canada. It's legal here for women to be topless in public. Apparently, to make a law based on gender is not constitutional. After a brief period of chest baring on beaches and while mowing the lawn to prove a point, people just do what they want now and mostly, that's to wear clothing. The whole point was legality ;)

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Zellio~ you are so right!

      JohnH2~ you seem like a good man, like I said before, very classy and sophisticated. Not everyone, nor the majority, are like you. Best of luck with the skirt ideas and I will check out skirtcafe.org

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      When I get a job, and get some money coming in, I sure would like to get some sport kilts and a full blown dress kilt for church. I would much rather wear them publicly than women's skirts. However, there is the issue of price - a woman's skirt is 15 to 20 dollars each, and a sport kilt would be over $100 each. A full blown dress kilt will set you back several hundred dollars.

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      Everything today is abused though. It's all about the money, and pretty much everyone will accept being bought.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Izettl,

      I really feel bad about how your father turned into a transsexual woman and apparently did not stick around to be a husband to your mother and a father to you. So I understand your misgivings about any feminine clothing or otherwise on men.

      There are a ton of websites dealing with transvestites. However there is a forum, www.skirtcafe.org, where men discuss wearing kilts, skirts, and occasionally dresses in a masculine context.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      I totally support kilts- I already made that clear.

      JohnH2~

      I could be bias or sensitive to the topic, but I am still able to see your points clearly. I think you have valid points, but not everyone is as logical and respectful as you. I just wonder if men borrowing on women's fashions will be exploited as with everything else nowadays.

      I absolutely agree about TV and media.It seems the more progressive we get the more tolerant and so I subscribe to a conservative point of view on all that.

      The problem is I wish all guys who wore skirts would be like you, but i believe we have become such an exploitive nation thanks to media's shock value, that things like skirts for men would be "abused". I don't know where you live, but I see cross dressers from time to time and I don't really care. THey go all the way with hair and make-up and attire, it's the in between like guys wearing skirts but still being manly that is hard for me to grasp. Not all guys are going to have common sense about it like the one I witnessed- Yikes.

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      Well the thing also about kilts is that it made men better warriors, due to the area between your legs being free... But this isn't a war zone, this is society ;).

      With that said, you shouldn't be too hard on him Izetti, I've known a few people like him who love the idea of wearing kilts... I still will stick to my guns that it's not fashionable, but the people I knew like that were certainly not feminine.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      If skirts were to become mainstream for men as an option there would be no problems if they wore them in a masculine context.

      On the other hand it is entirely possible for a man to wear pants in a feminine context as a cross-dresser. Which would you prefer?

      After all, men wear long hair and rings in their ears. There was a time when society had to learn to accept those new ideas. Also accept that men paint their toenails.

      There are more important things to be intolerant about than men wearing skirts. How about violence in movies and TV shows? How about suggestive sexual situations or foul language in entertainment?

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      I do think the laws of someone going topless in public need to be the same for both genders. Either men should be required to wear shirts or women should be allowed to be topless.

      I do not wear makeup. I wear a man's shirt with a skirt the same way as women wear feminine blouses with their pants. So I don't think I am confusing kids anymore than women wearing pants. If skirts were so precious to women then why have they abandoned the garment for the most part? The only major functionality for pants for men for society as a whole was that THEY RODE HORSES. And yes, if one rides a horse, bicycle, or motorcycle (s)he should wear pants.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      It is really a ridiculous comparison of a man wearing a skirt and going nude or topless in public, or being unfaithful to ones spouse.. You have an extreme aversion to men wearing skirts after what you witnessed what happened to your father.

      You ask the question:

      "Where is the functional purpose for men wearing skirts?"

      I have said it OVER AND OVER AGAIN THERE IS THE REASON OF COMFORT AND HEALTH REASONS.

      The testicles of men are outside the body to keep them cool. Then men are expected to encase their crotch in pants, which contributes to infertility and testicular and prostate cancer.

      No, I do not have to confine my skirt wearing inside the house or in some society.

      We have two different opinions - we have to agree to disagree.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      short and sweet Zellio!

      John~ What you are saying is men wore skirts, etc in history and for some reason abadoned them (why was that?) and now they would want to wear them again? I don't think not wearing skirts is restricting you from anything major. I would prefer to not wear clothes at all but in order to do so I must join a nudist colony and hide out. I can't go mainstream with what makes me feel most comfortable. I hang out nude in my house and have no need to be that way in public to feel satisfied. I say, wear your skirt and make-up in your house and I'll take my bra off when I get home. Now we're both comfy.

      The one thing I learned from the experience with my dad was my mom and I, and others because my mom works counseling them, were women who all had one thing in common; feeling like less of a woman. I think women wearing pants did do something to bring down men's ego, as we use the term "SHE wears the pants in the relationship". So if you can't beat them, join them?

      It is more than just fadshion and we will have to agree to disagree on it being impressionable and confusing for children. Understandable if it has something to do with culture, tradition, practicality for job, role playing for a Dungeon and Dragons game, etc but otherwise it is confusing. There was purpose for women wearing pants, such as work, sometimes men's work, and ability to do more activities. Where is the functional purpose for men wearing skirts?

      Men attempt to pass as women probably more than you know. You speak of variety, well I dont get much variety in my sex partners because I chose to be married. We all live within restrictions. Like I said I would feel comfortable with no shirt and no bra but that's not about to go mainstream and I canrecognize the greater good of it not, so I'll do it in my home. If men need to wear skirts, do it in your house or join a society/club. If everyone had open marriages and it was mainstream then wouldn't that lead to less cheating? Maybe, but add on a whole lot of other problems.

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      All I can say is that I'm scottish too, but I don't think it's fashionable to dress up Mel Gibson like and show off my crotch to everyone :X

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      The only reason that pants took over for men is that men rode horses. Any civilization where the men did not ride horses they did not take up wearing pants.

      I don't think it is harmful for a man to wear a skirt to kids as long has he presents an overall masculine image.

      I guess it is a form of rebellion and the fact that there is not very much variety in a man's wardrobe. I think that there should be gender norms, but as men go outside the very narrow constraints imposed on them it is going to take time for gender norms for men to be established for the following:

      1. Skirts

      2. Dresses or robes

      3. High heeled shoes

      4. Facial makeup - perhaps that could be viewed as "war paint"

      5. Formal garments as alternatives to the ubiquitous and boring "Coat, tie, and pants" convention.

      Let's face it - certain social conventions are NOT worth preserving - such as the prohibition of men wearing skirts.

      A century ago there was the social - and legal prohibitions of women wearing pants. That was mercifully overturned. One could make the same argument that things could get twisted in a kid's mind when women wear pants. PLEASE BE CONSISTENT ON BOTH SIDES.

      As I have written before we can do one of two things:

      1. Insist that men adhere to the severe constraints of dress. In this case I could see a scenario where cross-dressing becomes mainstream where men attempt to pass as women.

      2. Stretch the envelope for men so they can wear skirts, robes, high heels, makeup, etc as men and be recognized as such. This scenario would be much better.

      Here is an example of a social convention that was mercifully NOT preserved -

      Do you realize that there was a time that it was considered improper for women to sing in public? St. Paul wrote "Let the women keep silent", and so there were adult singers that were not women that sang soprano and alto. They were castrati, men who were castrated in childhood so they would retain their treble voices. George Handel wrote an oratorio while he was in Italy, La Rezzerectione or The Resurrection where he had a woman sing the part of Mary Magdalene. The authorities determined that it was immoral for a woman to sing publicly, and so they had a castrato sing the part for subsequent performances. That enraged Handel so much that he left for England, where women sang publicly.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      JohnH2~

      I totally respect your thoughts. I don't think I am sensitive to the types of feminine things men wear specifically, but rather the message it sends and how far it will go. You are talking more about your personal world and how wearing a skirt,etc effects you and your immediate environment and I am talking about the bigger picture. In media, things get twisted, especially in a kids' mind.

      The key really is how many of these feminine fashion trends you are doing at once like the difference between wearing a skirt and wearing a skirt, painting your toe nails, wearing make-up, and carrying a purse all together would might as well mark you as a woman.

      Is it just the lack of variety in a man's wardrobe or the clothes themselves that interest you? Is it a bit of rebellion? Do you think there is an importance to having gender norms, like style and clothing or we should all dress universally or any way we want?

      My example about the Romans was to take a look at history and see why some things were changed. That argument was based on what men have defined masculinity at one time. These same men who wore skirts who thought that was manly. People, even women, will wear overalls on a farm if that's more practical. Men will wear kilts because of traditions, but just for the heck of it? I don't get the overall purpose.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      izettl,

      Well I'm glad we are communicating in a more friendly form.

      I was not aware of your situation until you wrote "My dad ultimately became a transsexual, a woman". Now I understand where you come from and why you are upset about anything of a man whose actions and appearance are feminine.

      I do not go shirtless since my breasts are too big. At one time it was illegal in general for men to go shirtless until about 1932. As far as Texas law is concerned it is not illegal for a woman to go shirtless, except there may be local ordinances that might prohibit that. I think that if it is illegal for a woman to go shirtless it should be illegal for a man to do so. If men are allowed to be shirtless women should also be permitted to do the same thing. Breasts are the same for both genders - it is only a matter of size that is different. Also some men are able to breast-feed babies.

      I simply cannot equate Roman males wearing skirts with having sex with boys and young men. That argument is a cop-out. There was an early church father, Tertullian, who pleaded that men wear robes and skirts instead of pants.

      Around my neck of the woods there aren't very many women that wear skirts. So in kids' minds skirts do not have a particularly feminine connotation.

      I think it is OK for a man to expand his wardrobe options as long as he is recognizable as a man. I think it is absolutely wrong for a man to attempt to pass as a woman. I think it is absolutely nauseating for a man to adopt a feminine name.

      I most definitely do not want to present an image as a woman. Especially I do not want to speak like a woman. I am a basso profundo, able to sing down to C below the bass staff. I look at tips of how to walk like a woman, and I make sure that I walk as a man at all times.

      It would be fun to dress up in drag around Halloween with a dress, makeup, and heels and then go to a karaoke bar and do Johnny Cash's "Rings of Fire" and "Ghost Riders in the Sky". Other than that I always want to present myself as a man, even when I wear the occasional solid colored dress.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      JohnH2~ Well a woman with sizeable breasts can go anywhere in public but it's not really considered appropriate. I hate bras most women do. How about straps hurting shoulders, cutting into our chest, adjusting them, well I have as many complints as you do about your pants issue. It's also not acceptable for women to go shirtless.You think you have less fashion freedom, but why can't I go shirtless like you? How about I go to remote clan in Africa and go shirtless and you go to Scottland and go pantless.

      Skirts and dresses were relieved from women as common apparel many years ago because they hindered us from doing many activities so why wou guys find them "freeing" when women found them constraining? Where is the freedom in something that represented lack of freedom for women ages ago? Men in history wore skirts, but that's hardly an argument because we learn from history and move on.

      Yes, the Romans wore skirts and many of them slept with young boys or men to promote their masculinity, but we've learned from that history.

      When the lines are blurred we lose our identity. Cross dressing was a joke when I was younger- comedians and actors cross dressed for the fun of it, but this blurring of lines between the sexes is more of an identity issue. Seeing this when I grew up made me thnk it was ok that my dad cross dressed. I wanted to portray this subjuect in my hub as lighthearted and fun as possible, but I can tell you are serious. My dad ultimately became a transsexual, a woman. so, while I think some of women's fashions done in a masculine way is great- as you say- but we all know that this is a fine line between how many take this fashion statement too far. Kids are impressionable and don't always understand the right way a man can wear a skirt or the wrong way. Like I said the lines get blurred based on interpretations and intentions.

      I believe you are prbably a very classy guy. I love some of the really old styles- shakespearean, if you will. You don't abuse these fashion trends, but many are and like I said I know a kid will see you and wonder why you are wearing a skirt and then he has to interpret that his own way.

      You bring up many good points and I acknowledge them. Mine are probably more personal and yours for simple interest in comfort and fashion.

      Just for the record, if a guy wears a skirt I like him to have leg hair. Marc Jacob wears skirts often and is considered trendy with his unshaven dark leg hair.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      SPECIFICALLY TO izettl,

      I have heard that bras can increase the chance of breast cancer. Correct me if I'm wrong - but I believe the issue of when to wear a bra or not depends on the occasion and breast size.

      "Men have outward genitals that should be rstricted slightly more than women" NOT TRUE.

      Men's genitals do not need to be restricted at all. A lot of Scotsmen do not wear underpants under their kilts and take the risk of improper exposure. Underpants for skirts on men is simply a case for modesty and for pants, to keep the wedge of cloth from chafing against the crotch.

      You still miss the point of the advantage of a skirt on a man - THERE IS NO WEDGE OF CLOTH AGAINST THE TESTICLES AND THERE IS FREE AIR CIRCULATION. Yes, I wear briefs underneath my above the knee skirts, but the profile is more like a pocket rather than a wedge.

      I have stated in my opinion girl-jeans are an abomination for men with the male packaging issue. Skirts address that issue much better than pants.

      I sometimes like to wear a maxi-dress so that I can dispense with all underwear. I say a maxi-dress so that the skirt is low enough to the ground so that there is virtually no chance of improper exposure.

      I come from a Scottish background. I disagree with your statement "I have a strong scottish background and so I am in favor of men wearing kilts as part of history and long-standing tradition, but besides that I almost think it is patronizing the culture (and others) by turning it into a fashion statement."

      I would like nothing better than for kilts to be widely worn by men!

      I don't disapprove of men doing those things that I don't do; it's not my style.

      GENERAL STATEMENTS

      I see that there are going to be miss-steps as men expand outside the really restricted ideas of men's fashions.

      For formal dress men are constrained to wear ties and suit coats with pants. I'm not advocating doing away with such an outfit; in fact my avatar shows me wearing a suit with a tie.

      For really formal occasions it would be nice to have an alternative to tuxedos - perhaps a burgundy robe with white fur and gold trim.

      As an alternative to ties maybe there could be ruffled shirts. And don't forget shoes with high heels - maybe not stilettos but block heels with front buckles.

      Facial makeup is also something that needs to be sorted out for men - men did wear makeup until the 1850's

      We could keep the lid on what men can wear, and then it might become mainstream fashion for men to cross-dress and attempt to pass as women. But it would be a lot better if men could wear robes, skirts, ruffled shirts, high-heeled shoes, etc in a masculine context.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      JohnH2~ I can say everything about a bra as you say in favor of a skirt for guys. A bra is uncomfortable especially sweaty when it's hot, but it "holds in breasts", well hold in your genitals by wearing pants. Some have said restriction of bras can cause breast. Bras, I'm willing to bet without statistics, are probably not worn by most women in the world. Men have outward genitals that should be rstricted slightly more than women. If they are like shorts, why not just wear shorts?

      Why don't you wear earrings or put your hair in a ponytail? It's a matter of taste and that's what I'm trying to establish here. Not everyone will agree on fashion. Yes, men used to wear wigs and now we look back on that and laugh. Every decade or so we look back and laugh at past fashions, even those that wore the fashions themselves have a good laugh. I am certain we agree on girl jeans because men have ample choices in their own jean departments to not be coming over to the girls'. Pink is just a color. I don't have much to say about it.

      Thanks for your input. I respect it all the same. I have a strong scottish background and so I am in favor of men wearing kilts as part of history and long-standing tradition, but besides that I almost think it is patronizing the culture (and others) by turning it into a fashion statement. It's like if headresses became popular in mainstream fashion, but we know traditionally those are from Native American culture (African, others, etc), and to wear them for fashion sake is stripping away the unique cultural meaning behind it.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Everybody is different. I have expounded on men wearing skirts. I wear skirts most of the time - loose above the knee denim skirts and paint my toenails.

      However, I do not wear earrings, wear my hair in ponytails, wear nail polish on my fingernails, wear pink clothes, wear tight girls jeans nor carry a purse except for rare occasions. I do not attempt to pass as a woman.

      I do not have myself waxed but I do shave my arms, legs, and chest. I notice that the shaving GREATLY cuts down on body odor, something to be considered in the hot muggy climate of the Dallas area in Texas.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Yes, I do have a nice ass, nice legs, nice thighs and hips to wear a tight-fitting skirt, but I would not want to wear anything so tight as to restrict my stride.

      My skirts are not tight anymore than your boxers and loose fitting jeans and shorts. The only difference between my denim skirts and shorts is the way they are sewn at the bottom and the crotch. The material is very much the same, and the pockets are about the same. There is even a watch pocket in each of my skirts.

      We as men have gotten used to wearing pants and shorts for that is what we wore all the time while we were growing up. It just simply feels GREAT when the wedge of cloth is not present at all.

      I think we agree that tight girl's jeans are a disaster on men for obvious reasons.

      I personally do not care for wearing pink colored clothing, or wearing hair as ponytails.

      I have to have pockets since I do not feel comfortable carrying a purse. I wear a man's shirt, men's underwear and for the most part, men's shoes. I do not apply makeup on my face. So I do not attempt to pass as a woman.

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      I don't have a wedge of cloth anything. I wear lose fitting boxers and most of the time lose fitting shorts/jeans.

      The point of a skirt is that it is a tight fitting outfit that shows off your hips, thighs, legs, and butt, in a sexy way. Do you have the legs for it? You are complaining like a fat person who wants to wear a tight bikini.

      If you can actually pull it off then I guess go for it. But you would need to have a nice ass, nice legs, nice thighs and hips.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Zellio,

      I probably should have addressed you a little more kindly instead of calling your ignorant.

      You mention "Men don't have the thighs, hips, and most of the time legs, to put off a skirt as fashionable."

      How is that any different than for a person to wear shorts? Maybe we all should wear long pants only.

      You do not know me - why do you make the statement "you will need to grow some balls"? Maybe that wedge of cloth against your crotch simply doesn't bother you since you might not have any.

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      Did I hurt your feelings? All of this talk of ignorance yet you are obviously ignorant to fashion.

      Lets break it down: Men don't have the thighs, hips, and most of the time legs, to put off a skirt as fashionable. I don't care if you shave your legs or not.

      Do you also realize that high heels were originally worn by men? They were given to women because women LOOKED BETTER IN THEM.

      You can wear your skirts, your pink and your high heels, but you are less fashionable then a person in a leisure suit and you will need to grow some balls if you want to wear a skirt, otherwise you will spend all of your time crying about how ignorant everyone is. As much as you can complain about people's views, you won't be able to walk away from the fact that you are a fashion disaster of epic proportions.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Regarding

      Do These Jeans Make Me Look Manly? or Girl Jeans

      I agree that it is inappropriate for men to wear extremely tight jeans for the same reason that I believe men should be able to wear skirts instead of shorts or pants - there is the issue of providing room for the external genitalia.

      At least men's shorts and pants don't cling to the body as much as girl's jeans.

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      JohnH2 7 years ago from Rockwall, TX

      Zellio,

      You need to state your opinions as such and not as fact. And yes, I took Beth100's remarks as sexist and continue to do so. It would have been a sexist remark if 100 years ago a man wrote, "Ha ha ha I'm sorry, but a woman wearing pants - that's just not right!!"

      Your quote:

      "How about this. Skirts look ugly, hideous on a man!"

      That's only your opinion. If a man had really hairy legs I think he needs to shave his legs before wearing a skirt or shorts.

      You should have said something to the effect, "I don't like skirts on a man" or "I think skirts look ugly, hideous on a man!"

      It really shows your ignorance of fashion history - Ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Roman males wore skirts. In Greek and Roman civilizations only women wore pants, and there was a Latin term for pants - "feminalia". In fact there was a time in Rome if a man showed up publicly wearing pants the authorities would seize all his property.

      You also appear to be ignorant of the fact that about 65 percent of the men on this planet wear skirt-like garments. How about kilts in Scotland, fustanellas in Greece and in the Balkans, and sarongs in the Pacific islands?

      I have nothing against women wearing pants - I'm glad they won that right. Now we need to convince certain narrow-minded individuals to accept men wearing skirts and dresses as men and not as cross-dressers trying to pass as women.

      It is also only your personal opinion that pink does not look good on a man. There was a time that pink was considered a masculine color since it is simply a toned down version of red, which was considered a very masculine color.

      izettl - there is an obvious reason for wearing a bra of course - support of the breasts. There is not any obvious reason other than social standards why men should wear only shorts or pants since we do not ride horses or routinely ride bicycles.

      In hot weather the encasing of men's privates in pants and shorts can contribute to infertility, and testicular and prostate cancer. There is also the issue of modesty with pants - the crotch area frequently shows the outines of the testicles.

      I do not think is is valid for any pants wearing women to object to men wearing skirts. After all there was a time that women did not have the right to wear pants, and in fact they could be subject to arrest for doing so.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      zellio~ I agree about the pink. It's a confidence thing. I totally get it, but men in skirts I will never get.

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

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      Sexist?

      How about this. Skirts look ugly, hideous on a man! This fashion is probably made by Magatu from ZOOLANDER, the same guy who made people wear TRASH AS A FASHION!!

      This is about as a fashionable as anything from the 80's!

      You would probably look better by jumping naked into a sewer and then wearing trash

      Oh and btw, women don't look hideous in pants. Women would lok hideous dressed like Ronald McDonald, so am I sexist now too for pointing out horrible 'fashion' trends?

      And btw, I do have a pink netbook. The problem with pink is that it's a color simply to prove how confident you are. It's not a color that actually looks good on a man.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Someday we'll all look back and laugh at it all. just like the same men 100 years ago who laughed at women wearing pants were the same ones laughing about men wearing skirts back then too. I personally hate wearing a bra,probably as comfy as material between your testies, but it's not totally acceptable for me to go bra-less everywhere since I don't have small ones.

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      JohnH 7 years ago

      To quote Beth100

      "Ha ha ha I'm sorry, but a man wearing a skirt - that's just not right!!"

      This is a sexist remark of a narrow-minded person. It would be the same as 100 years ago if a man wrote, "Ha ha ha I'm sorry, but a woman wearing pants - that's just not right!!"

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      JohnH 7 years ago

      Don't knock the idea of wearing a skirt until you have tried it. We men have external genitalia and if feels mighty good not having that wedge of cloth against the testicles!

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Thanks Beth100~ I ran into a guy at the store who was trying to find nail polish for himself, trying to impress a girl. He asked me for help because he didn't want something too girly. What am I supposed to say to that? He was young so I didn't want to crush his ego. Instead I wrote this hub, sincerely and humorously, hoping it finds men who need a wake-up call.

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      Beth100 7 years ago from Canada

      Ha ha ha I'm sorry, but a man wearing a skirt - that's just not right!! Maybe I'm laughing because your sincere humor on the subject. Either way, rated you up! This is a great read!

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      I will volunteer to help all the desperate women! And I don't wear this stuff either ;P ;) :D

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      CMhypno~ Yeah I'm feeling a little competitive with men instead of other women. THere are some men out there with really great legs.HA! THanks for the comment and visit.

      Martie~ Well it just shows men can get away with anything because their odds of fidning a woman is still high. But I'm with you, no thanks, no way! It was funny but true writing this and I'm glad you enjoyed.

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      Martie Coetser 7 years ago from South Africa

      No thanks, Izett, I’ll pass them all. Behind me is a long line of women who can have them. The last time I looked at statistics there were seven women for each man. So there will be at least one desperate woman out of seven who will grab whatever she gets. Let’s face it, some people will rather be dead as out of fashion. Men who look like women, look just as weird as women who look like men. But I don’t judge them. Let them be whatever they want to be. As long as they don’t expect admiration from me. Interesting topic! Deserves to be voted up. PS: I like the pink t-shirt.

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      CMHypno 7 years ago from Other Side of the Sun

      Interesting Hub, can't say that I could go for men in skirts, ponytails and nail polish, but whatever floats your boat as they say. There is nothing worse than a man who has better legs than you and looks better in heels!

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      You welcome and thanks for the comment masumnetcox.

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      masumnetcox 7 years ago from rajshahi,Bangladesh

      mam always writes some ossom topics, thanks her for this hubs.

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      Lizett 7 years ago from The Great Northwest

      Silent reed~ don't you know, we can go into your closet but you can't go into ours. Give me 20 years and I'll probably start becoming comfortable with some of this stuff.

      Christoph~ Yeah I don't care too much about fashion because it rarely effects me or reaches my northwest neck of the woods, but I'm seeing guys with painted nails at stores, post office, everywhere. Oh it was funny with my guy friends checking out the guy bent over. That's priceless!Money can't buy that kind of humiliation.

      Zellio~ I'll be checking out those links.

      epigramman~ One can only hope- haha

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      SilentReed 7 years ago from Philippines

      It started with women's lib, then they wanted to wear the pants. Now they're complainging ? ;)

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      epigramman 7 years ago

      ..brave daring hub you have put together in a very entertaining fashion .....maybe some of the so-called men here at the pages of Hub will turn the other cheek and take heed from your sound advice of the alternative persuasion!

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      Christoph Reilly 7 years ago from St. Louis

      This was very funny,Izetti. Yet somehow it made me uncomfortable. I have written on this subject myself, well, kind of, metrosexuals anyway. I've never seen men with painted toe nails. Are they really common now? Of course I'm not in the habit of looking at men's feet. That part about the Dude bending over was funny as all get out. I hate it when that happens!

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      Zellio 7 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      Btw izetti, I've found better (*cough*) pics of the man skirt for you to use:

      http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-questionable-guy...

      http://sreeramshenoy.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/m...